Minutes of the Steering Group Meetings on October 23-24, 2002
October 23, 2002
Present: Baynham, Black, Blondel, Bross, Catanesi, Cummings, Drumm, Geer,
Green, Haseroth, Ishimoto, Kaplan, Li, Lombardi, Long, McKigney, Norem,
Palladino, Rey, Rimmer, Torun, Zisman
- Saturday morning, conveners are expected to list tasks, responsibilities,
costs and timelines to arrive at a combined project chart leading to
installation at RAL. This will allow us to come up with an overall schedule
and evalute how this matches up with the run-in scenarios. We need to put
down sensible dates considering RAL shutdowns, procurement lead times, etc.
Of course, a lot of it would be contingent on funding and the funding profile
should be factored in.
The first detectors (needed to define the beam) should be installed at RAL
in 2004. We need to identify the critical items and concentrate on those.
Our start dates are predicated on the results of funding requests. To get a
significant amount of money from the US Department of Energy, we may need
much more detail than is planned for the proposal and the review process
takes 1-1.5 years, comparable to LH2 safety review. For now, we can assume
that DOE money will be available in FY04, NSF funds may not come in before
04 either.
This is a proposal, not a technical design report but we still can't afford
to make huge mistakes in cost and schedule estimates. We should indicate
milestones where decisions should be made. There are two relevant time scales:
funding availability and defendable engineering detail. RAL has taken the
letter of intent goal of beam in 04 seriously and is providing substantial
resources toward that. Moving that target date would not be well received,
hence a technology limited schedule. Whether the RAL review results will
satisfy other institutions or they will want to do more by themselves remains
to be seen. We have to assume a time scale for the RAL review. Based on the LOI
experience, this may be around 6 months.
The safety panel (which won't be internal to RAL) isn't even set up yet.
Experience with the safety review at Fermilab so far has been positive and
hasn't really hindered progress but a project schedule is different from an
R&D schedule. We can assume that our design will be deemed safe and require
minor changes, not major revisions causing large delays. One can't do the
complete review without detailed engineering design but we should consider
the requirements/criteria to make sure we don't propose something that's
obviously unsafe. We need RAL feedback on this right away.
In summary: In doing timelines, costs, etc., administrative delays should not
be included but there should be provision in the timing to accommodate them.
It would be useful to make another timeline including all the administrative
delays, we can put things in the optimum order that way.
RAL response should come before the EU funding request. We should tell RAL
that we will submit a proposal by Dec. 15 and expect a response in the spring.
- Going around the groups to check the status, identify needs and
pressing items.
- Beam dynamics
- sensitivity studies are important and time consuming. It
would be useful to study what we can learn from the experiment that could
be applied to the cooling channel design. Many studies were done in the
Feasibility Study II and in the CERN reports but not what one can learn from
the experiment concerning the neutrino factory cooling channel itself.
Performance plots for the 200MHz channel from the ICOOL study are in the NSF
funding request, need to complete these. Nonlinearities, chromatic effects,
etc. are subtle and complicated. There are also conceptual issues related to
software bunching independent of detector performance.
Cavity backgrounds are potential showstopper, building the first 201MHz cavity
is on the critical path. The coated Be window is important and should be done
soon.
- Simulation
- We should put in simple smearing for the noncritical items
instead of waiting for full detailed simulation. In particular, we should
put in simple TOF information to complete the 6D emittance measurement.
Performance as a function of noise level is critical for trackers. This
study is already in progress for the SciFi, need to do it for other systems
as soon as possible. Having a standard reference background source is
important so we have consistent performance studies
- Magnets
- Integration (especially with absorbers) is the main difficulty in
the design. Also safety requirements, forces on coils, removal/replacement
of the absorbers are important issues. We should write down something
sensible in the proposal even if it may not be what we decide to do
eventually. Coupling coil to RF cavity integration has some issues but no
serious obstacles. We need help from physicists experienced in magnetic field
measurements. The Amsterdam group working on this for ATLAS toroids is
interested in getting involved in MICE. Alain asked them to join and they
are considering it. Dubna may also want to join. Dan will contact Skrinsky
to pursue Novosibirsk involvement further (they have been unwilling so far).
The question of whether we will use removable absorber windows is important,
there are serious safety issues related to potential leaks.
- Absorbers
- Main issues are integration and safety. Many studies going on in
parallel including the windows, absorbers in magnetic field, etc. 2195 can't
be welded, 6061 can. So, the choice of integration scheme (welded vs bolted
windows) affects this part of the design. We have to finalize the convection
absorber prototype by next summer
- RF
- Integration issues, in particular couplers, vacuum ports, etc. We don't
quite know how much power we can get or the rep rate we can run at. Assume
2 x 4MW at 1-1.2Hz with 0.5-1ms flat top, 23MV/m max on crest. There are
also safety issues related to Be windows
At this point we ran out of time and decided to continue the next day
October 24, 2002
Present: Baynham, Black, Blondel, Bross, Cummings, Drumm, Geer, Green,
Haseroth, Kaplan, Kuno, Li, Long, McKigney, Norem, Palladino, Palmer, Rey,
Rimmer, Torun, Zisman
For the Saturday morning session, we need timelines, cost estimates and final
designs for different systems. Ken L. will collect the timelines and Mike Z.
and Paul D. will collect the cost estimates. The steering group will stay
Saturday afternoon and put together an overall schedule
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- RF continued
- There was a meeting earlier to discuss some details. For the
proposal, we will stick with 4 cavities. No information needed except for
Be safety. Need someone to look at low level RF system. Helmut will ask
Roy Church to serve as an RF convener for MICE. Regarding refrigeration,
we can afford to throw away the nitrogen since 8MW x 1ms@1Hz = 8kW which
requires only about 1 liter/minute of liquid nitrogen.
- RF backgrounds
- Lab G rates from recent measurements are quite high. The
effect is also related to having a configuration in which the electric and
magnetic fields are parallel, it may be different for the MICE magnetic
configuration. We are still seeing beamlets and trying to understand the
behavior, these are steered by the magnetic field and might potentially cause
serious problems in other areas in addition to detector backgrounds (bubbles
in hydrogen, holes in windows, etc.). The LBNL pillbox cavity in Lab G has
not been conditioning well with the magnetic field on. We want to try the Be
windows soon,the different material properties should help. Background
tolerance for the fibers looks good so far
- Detectors
- No serious technical issues but it all depends on the backgrounds.
We need a 201MHz cavity in magnetic field to find out for sure. There isn't
much uncertainty and the main issues are background (extrapolation by a factor
of 100-200 from measured rates may look bad in the proposal), safety
(especially having active detectors inside the field in close proximity to
the hydrogen) and electromagnetic noise from the cavities.
SciFi will be presented as the baseline in the proposal and the TPG as an
R&D project. Cerenkov design has not converged yet.
- Beam
- The beam solenoid from PSI is an issue. We don't know how active it is
(or the shielding around it for that matter), so it's not clear if we want to
get the PSI solenoid or build one from scratch. Radioactivity levels will be
measured at PSI early next year. The plan is to be ready for installing the
solenoid during the next long ISIS shutdown. Solenoid is not essential to the
experiment, we could use a quadrupole channel with existing components. The
proposal will say we will use the PSI solenoid in the experiment but start
with quadrupoles first instead for detector shakedown. We need to move the
hole in the wall to change the beam angle during the shutdown in any case.
Yagmur Torun - torun@iit.edu
October 26, 2002